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Mage Tier 15 RPPM - when to switch
« on: May 31, 2013, 01:41:35 AM »
Hey guys,

i've got a question since the description of the Mage Tier 15 RPPM build is not 100% clear to me.

I've got the Sinister Primal Diamond and these trinkets: 1. Wushoolay's Final Choice (LFR version) 2. Cha-Ye's Essence of Brilliance (normal mode)

Should I switch to the Haste --> Mastery build or wait for better trinkets?

Here is my armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/character/antonidas/Scar%C3%AEn/advanced

Thanks in advance! :)

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Re: Mage Tier 15 RPPM - when to switch
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2013, 07:21:09 AM »
If you have the Sinister Primal Diamond, the rppm build will be better for you.

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Re: Mage Tier 15 RPPM - when to switch
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2013, 01:05:57 PM »
It's not all specs

More specifically, it's only arcane, so you won't see it if you're anything else.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2013, 01:10:20 PM by raychumley »
Well that didn't work...

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Re: Mage Tier 15 RPPM - when to switch
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2013, 09:22:37 AM »
Hi guys,
could u add such a point for Frost?
2*Haste>Int and crit only to 22-23%?
And btw: It could be that im a blind man but is the option to set specific softcaps for something gone forever or is it hidden anywhere?

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Re: Mage Tier 15 RPPM - when to switch
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2013, 10:19:31 AM »
We don't have it enabled for frost, since there is no substantial benefit to gearing for specific values of haste.

Also, all of our testing shows that valuing haste > intellect is always a DPS loss, so we don't have a preset for that gearing strategy. Users are always encouraged to customize the weights as they see fit, but our default weights are meant to provide optimal DPS solutions.

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Re: Mage Tier 15 RPPM - when to switch
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2013, 10:53:51 PM »
Its not regarding an Hastesoftcap. Its regarding crit. 25% is a strange value imo.
Either u go 28% (which is the cap for shatter ((28-3)*2+50=100) or something like 20-23% because of the huge inttrinkets.

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Re: Mage Tier 15 RPPM - when to switch
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2013, 06:25:22 AM »
Did you account for the 5% crit raid buff and boss crit suppression?

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Re: Mage Tier 15 RPPM - when to switch
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2013, 08:57:47 AM »
Crit suspension: Yes.
We loose 1% per level of the target above our own.
If we need 25% buffed crit to get to 100% (Shatter is: Crit*2+50) we need 28% buffed.
Regarding the critbuff:
Here is my armory:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/die-nachtwache/Laodi/advanced
Here is AskMrRobot:
http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/eu/die_nachtwache/laodi
Armory i have: 16637 Int, 6749 Critrating and 18.72% Crit (which are the same stats as ingame unbuffed)
AMR i have: 16637 Int, 6749 Critrating and 15.72% Crit.
Buffed AMR says im at 21.62% crit. I can't test it ingame with MotW so i only have Arcane Brilliance but with that i come to 18.72+5=23.72% Crit. So i think u dont calculate 5% Crit into this. (U came to 21.62% buffed)
If i set the weight of Crit before 25% to a high value it reforges me to exact 25%. If i do this ingame i will overcome 28% by a huge margin which is too much.
And this is all before things like trinkets.

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Re: Mage Tier 15 RPPM - when to switch
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2013, 06:42:17 AM »
I will use your character as an example to show you how to calculate how much Crit you will have with full raid buffs:

Intellect on gear: 15946

You get a 5% increase to intellect due to the Wizardry passive: 15946*1.05 = 16743.3 Intellect. Add the 224 base intellect and you get 16967.3 Intellect, which is what the Armory shows. (Wizardry does not apply to base intellect.)

Raid-buffed, you will have +1000 from a flask and +275 from food. These are affected by Wizardry: 1275*1.05 = 1338.75.

1338.75 + 16967.3 = 18306.05 Intellect without a Stats buff. The Stats buff does apply to your base Intellect, so your raid-buffed Intellect will be: 18306.05*1.05 = 19221.3525

This adds 19221.3525/2533.66 = 7.586% Crit.

7560 Crit Rating on your gear adds 7560/600 = 12.75% Crit.

You have a base crit chance as a mage of about 0.91%.

0.91% + 12.75% + 7.586% = 21.25%

Now, add in the crit raid buff and crit suppression:
21.25%  + 5% - 3% = 23.25%

This is exactly what Mr. Robot shows for your current gear's raid-buffed Crit. So, we do indeed take into account the Crit raid buff - and all other applicable buffs and modifiers. Rest assured that Mr. Robot is calculating stats correctly!

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Re: Mage Tier 15 RPPM - when to switch
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2013, 07:38:49 AM »
Ok thats my fault. U add the crit in the table. I added in mind. My mistake. Thank u for clarification.
But lets come back to the previous task: Could u at least reactivate the method to set the Softcap for Crit on our own?

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Re: Mage Tier 15 RPPM - when to switch
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2013, 07:51:39 AM »
We're working on ways to let players enter more arbitrary caps.

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Re: Mage Tier 15 RPPM - when to switch
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2013, 08:55:16 PM »
Heres a maybe dumb question. When my mage is in fire spec it still shows Shatter in the spell book. Does not Frost DKs make the target act like its frozen so that a fire mage would be able to utilize Shatter just like a frost mage?

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Re: Mage Tier 15 RPPM - when to switch
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2013, 09:01:36 PM »
I am 99% sure that it doesn't work like that ;) But... it would be sweet if it did.

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Re: Mage Tier 15 RPPM - when to switch
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2013, 09:42:56 PM »
Shatter says( Doubles the critical strike chance of all your spells against frozen targets plus additional 50%.) This is why frost mages only need 23% crit + 5% from arcane/dalaran brilliance which gives 28% crit cap. That is why Ive been wondering if fire could also use this and if need be if using frost-fire bolts to keep it treated as frozen might be good to do this if the spells of DKs don't make the target considered frozen.

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Re: Mage Tier 15 RPPM - when to switch
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2013, 03:18:32 AM »
Frost  has Shatter because of Instant-FFBs and IL.
Those Instants works like the target is Frozen.
There is nearly no boss mob in this game which u can freeze.
Remember: Slow is not freeze.
Beside the fact u can't slow bosses at all, only to have a slow from Frostbolt or Frostfirebolt up on the target doesn't mean its frozen.
Frozen is Frostnova or Deep Freeze(which Firemages don't have)
DKs Freeze don't interact with Mages. They have their own freeze.
So: For Fire Shatter is only for PvP or soloing or some Bossadss which u can Root with Frostnova (but in raids Frostnova breaks nearly instant)