Hunter BM Haste or Mastery?


#1

I am struggling big time with the above Ask.mr.robot says one thing and Simc another - how do i know who is right?

I have mastery 70% , Haste 20%

Askmrrobot says to add more mastery (gem , enchants)

Simc wants more haste

I am pretty confused right now and would appreciate some advice


#2

Would you mind posting your add on export string? With out that it is hard to look into your request.


#3

sure here is the string from Simcraft:

hunter="Marlinena"
level=110
race=undead
region=eu
server=burning_legion
role=attack
professions=leatherworking=800/skinning=800
talents=3112111
spec=beast_mastery
artifact=56:0:0:0:0:868:4:869:4:870:4:871:4:872:4:873:4:874:4:875:4:876:1:877:1:878:1:879:1:880:1:881:1:882:1:1095:4:1336:1:1368:1:1517:4:1518:1:1519:1:1520:19:1636:1
crucible=1739:1778:873/0/1739:1775

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feet=,id=147426,gem_id=151584,bonus_id=3562/1808/1502/3336
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Gear from Bags

Hagfeather Cowl of the Feverflare (680)

head=,id=121104,bonus_id=1812/1703,drop_level=110

Sabermaw Hood of the Fireflash (582)

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Faded Spirit-Wrencher Cage of the Wildfire (429)

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Vicious Charscale Helm (377)

head=,id=75090

Darkbrand Helm of the Stormblast (306)

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Darkbrand Helm of the Zephyr (306)

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Silken Cord Amulet of Spirit (174)

neck=,id=36442,suffix=-30

Talisman of True Treasure Tracking (60)

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Black Dragonscale Shoulders (60)

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Ambervale Shoulders of the Peerless (680)

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Talhide Shoulderguards of the Bandit (117)

shoulder=,id=24908,suffix=-40

Tsunami Shoulders of the Zephyr (308)

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Webspinner Shoulderguards of the Falcon (178)

shoulder=,id=36169,suffix=-11

Elunarian Spaulders (62)

shoulder=,id=14463

Talondeep Spaulders of the Monkey (312)

shoulder=,id=55621,suffix=-5

Brewer’s Shoulderpads of the Eagle (403)

shoulder=,id=82145,suffix=-6

Gravenscale Spaulders of the Fireflash (850)

shoulder=,id=128905,bonus_id=669/601/689/1690/3408

Dreadleather Shoulderguard of the Harmonious (850)

shoulder=,id=128889,bonus_id=669/600/689/1711/3408

Hardened Scale Cloak (295)

back=,id=56489

Dreamwalker’s Cloak (925)

back=,id=139074,enchant_id=5435,bonus_id=3573/1587/3337

Misthide Drape of the Windstorm (393)

back=,id=85851,suffix=-137

Durable Nerubhide Cape (200)

back=,id=43565

Journeying Robes of the Feverflare (565)

chest=,id=116165,bonus_id=176

Ravenholdt Jerkin of the Undertow (312)

chest=,id=55648,suffix=-131

Cutthroat’s Vest of the Falcon (34)

chest=,id=15130,suffix=-11

Journeying Robes of the Quickblade (565)

chest=,id=116165,bonus_id=90

Wildstalker Chestguard (915)

chest=,id=147139,bonus_id=3562/1497/3528

Yak Vest of the Stormblast (429)

chest=,id=82248,suffix=-133

Hauberk of Frozen Mist (920)

chest=,id=147043,bonus_id=3562/1502/3336

Glowing Wing Bracers (378)

wrist=,id=71341

Voidcaller Bindings of the Quickblade (494)

wrist=,id=106432,bonus_id=105

Hillstride Bracers of the Aurora (680)

wrist=,id=121096,bonus_id=1812/1706,drop_level=110

Warpwind Gauntlets of the Aurora (680)

hands=,id=121262,bonus_id=1812/1705,drop_level=110

Fists of Mukoa (141)

hands=,id=150435,bonus_id=3589,drop_level=110

Highperch Gauntlets of the Bandit (300)

hands=,id=55592,suffix=-40

Contender’s Wyrmhide Gloves (450)

hands=,id=85817

Ambervale Gloves of the Quickblade (680)

hands=,id=121240,bonus_id=1812/41/1681,drop_level=110

Trellised Handwraps of the Eagle (400)

hands=,id=82196,suffix=-6

Contender’s Dragonscale Gloves (450)

hands=,id=85793

Contender’s Scale Gloves (450)

hands=,id=85809

Gauntlets of Spiteful Haunting (915)

hands=,id=147047,bonus_id=3562/1497/3528

Ambervale Waistband of the Feverflare (680)

waist=,id=121244,bonus_id=1812/1698,drop_level=110

Contender’s Scale Belt (450)

waist=,id=85805

Celestial Belt of the Monkey (56)

waist=,id=14309,suffix=-78

Thresher Waistband of the Marksman (400)

waist=,id=82209,suffix=-91

Faronaar Chain Belt of the Aurora (680)

waist=,id=121040,bonus_id=1812/1709,drop_level=104

Contender’s Wyrmhide Belt (450)

waist=,id=85813

Nocturnal Sash of the Bear (38)

waist=,id=15154,suffix=-68

Light Scale Belt (16)

waist=,id=132489

Boneshredder Belt of the Bandit (111)

waist=,id=24773,suffix=-40

Discarded Swampstalker Belt of the Zephyr (429)

waist=,id=94045,suffix=-136

Bluefen Cord of the Feverflare (312)

waist=,id=55774,suffix=-138

Nightblind Cinch (397)

waist=,id=78882

Warhide Pants of the Quickblade (735)

legs=,id=128880,bonus_id=1682/3392/3408

Chain Leggings (23)

legs=,id=132497

Icepine Britches of the Impatient (680)

legs=,id=121074,bonus_id=1812/1720,drop_level=110

Contender’s Leather Leggings (450)

legs=,id=85803

Moonfall Leggings of the Harmonious (680)

legs=,id=121271,bonus_id=1812/1716,drop_level=110

Traveling Leggings of the Quickblade (540)

legs=,id=116169,bonus_id=93

Darkbrand Leggings of the Undertow (333)

legs=,id=56513,suffix=-131

Stonecloth Boots (35)

feet=,id=14408

Dreadroot Linked Greaves of the Feverflare (680)

feet=,id=121208,bonus_id=1812/1697,drop_level=110

Waterfall Sandals of the Invoker (429)

feet=,id=82254,suffix=-39

An’she’s Band (910)

finger1=,id=139103,enchant_id=5429,gem_id=151584,bonus_id=3573/1808/1572/3528

Fierce Combatant’s Accolade of Conquest (920)

trinket1=,id=149705,bonus_id=3573/607/1582/3336


#4

and here from Mrrobot :

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#5

So, SimC doesn’t really tell you much about what gear to use. It will tell you how much damage any particular set of gear does.

The very basic “stat scaling” that is available in SimC will just give you a very rough idea of what stats should be on the next item or two that you equip, assuming that item you equip does not change any of your special effects like set bonuses, legendary items, or trinket procs.

Ask Mr. Robot’s adaptive gearing strategies are based on millions of simulations. The data is used to build up a predictive model that can quickly predict how much DPS any given set of gear will simulate to, within a very small margin of error. With that information, we can look through all the gear you have and pick the set that will do the most damage.

Simple stat priorities are of limited usefulness. There are sets of gear with high Mastery, Haste, and Crit that all perform very near-optimal for BM hunters. Ask Mr. Robot’s method of ranking gear is able to “see” all the possible solutions, and isn’t locked into one local maximum.

If your goal is to pick gear that simulates to the highest DPS, trust the robot. It is the best way to optimize gear out there.


#6

Hi Swol,

thank you very much for your reply that was very very helpful indeed.

So if i understand you correct the best procedur is to use

  1. Mrrobot first with the gear equiped , then do all enchants and gems as suggested.

  2. Then use Simcraft to help find next upgrade of items looted etc?

Thanks again for your time and help.


#7

Our gear optimizer can tell you what items to get next without you needing to do the extra work of simulating. You can use the Upgrade Finder, or just the ranked lists of gear on the Gear Explorer that show up when you click on a slot.

If you do want to simulate to test out gear combinations, our simulator is very easy to use and based on real boss fights. On the gear optimizer you will see green buttons that say “Simulate” or “Simulate this Setup”. Press it to load your current character directly into the simulator and run it.