Question about trinket comparison for my character

So I have an Outlaw Rogue and just got a 965 Hunger of the Pack from my Mythic chest. Stats are critical strike and agility. AMR still insists that my 915 Shadow Singed Fang is a better trinket to equip. Same stat boosts but on a proc such that the uptime would have to be something like 75% to be equivalent (which I doubt is possible?)

Just wanted to double check things - as I don’t see how this 965 trinket would get outperformed by a 915 trinket unless there is something I really don’t understand about the proc rate.

Thoughts?

My bag cut and paste is below:

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As an update, I was looking at:
https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/trinkets/1t-t21-rogue-outlaw

as a generic example of the relative strengths between the 915 singed fang and the 965 hunger of the pack. Seems like 965 pack sims better, and when I queued my toon to the AMR simulator, I got numbers that were higher as well. So is this a edge case in BiB or is there some toggle that I have set that I shouldn’t have? (I turned off the threshold for upgrades as well)

I need to update the Shadow-Singed Fang’s ranking… on my short list of things to do. Previously we had it undervalued a bit, now it is overvalued a bit. I need to run some stuff on the global network to re-rank it completely and get a final value for it.

Well, your work on this stuff is always appreciated sir. Thanks so much. I’m going to go under the assumption that Gorashach’s (sp?) Legacy and the new hotness/965 trinket deserve to be locked in for most situations.

Don’t suppose the same sort of undervalue/overvalue had happened with the Nightblooming Frond? I was in a spot for awhile where the 915 version of that was beating the crap out of other trinkets… the link that I provided, what is your opinion on the data there?

For me, my understanding is that they were accounting for iLvl and graphing trinet+iLvl vs. % dps, so the idea is to get as far to the right as possible.

I’m generally not a big fan of static trinket ranking charts… they can’t take all of your other gear into account like best-in-bags does. They typically use a single set of gear that assumes you have every item available to you, which is not the reality for 99% of players.

I don’t recall anything specific with Nightblooming Frond…

I will be kicking off a bunch of global network stuff tonight, will take a couple of days to run, then you should see a few re-rankings of some trinkets and stuff for several specs. We did a round of polish on some of the simulator stuff these last couple weeks.

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