Question about trinket comparison for my character


#1

So I have an Outlaw Rogue and just got a 965 Hunger of the Pack from my Mythic chest. Stats are critical strike and agility. AMR still insists that my 915 Shadow Singed Fang is a better trinket to equip. Same stat boosts but on a proc such that the uptime would have to be something like 75% to be equivalent (which I doubt is possible?)

Just wanted to double check things - as I don’t see how this 965 trinket would get outperformed by a 915 trinket unless there is something I really don’t understand about the proc rate.

Thoughts?

My bag cut and paste is below:

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#2

As an update, I was looking at:
https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/trinkets/1t-t21-rogue-outlaw

as a generic example of the relative strengths between the 915 singed fang and the 965 hunger of the pack. Seems like 965 pack sims better, and when I queued my toon to the AMR simulator, I got numbers that were higher as well. So is this a edge case in BiB or is there some toggle that I have set that I shouldn’t have? (I turned off the threshold for upgrades as well)


#3

I need to update the Shadow-Singed Fang’s ranking… on my short list of things to do. Previously we had it undervalued a bit, now it is overvalued a bit. I need to run some stuff on the global network to re-rank it completely and get a final value for it.


#4

Well, your work on this stuff is always appreciated sir. Thanks so much. I’m going to go under the assumption that Gorashach’s (sp?) Legacy and the new hotness/965 trinket deserve to be locked in for most situations.

Don’t suppose the same sort of undervalue/overvalue had happened with the Nightblooming Frond? I was in a spot for awhile where the 915 version of that was beating the crap out of other trinkets… the link that I provided, what is your opinion on the data there?

For me, my understanding is that they were accounting for iLvl and graphing trinet+iLvl vs. % dps, so the idea is to get as far to the right as possible.


#5

I’m generally not a big fan of static trinket ranking charts… they can’t take all of your other gear into account like best-in-bags does. They typically use a single set of gear that assumes you have every item available to you, which is not the reality for 99% of players.

I don’t recall anything specific with Nightblooming Frond…

I will be kicking off a bunch of global network stuff tonight, will take a couple of days to run, then you should see a few re-rankings of some trinkets and stuff for several specs. We did a round of polish on some of the simulator stuff these last couple weeks.