[Havoc] Wrong trinket, wrong enchant

gearing-strategy
demonhunter-havoc

#1

I have read this post and still have a question.

  • http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/us/lightbringer/sygon
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My question is: Why does AMR keep suggesting my neck enchant should be Satyr, when it should be Claw? I keep changing it in the setting on the webpage, but it never stickes.

Also, Cindaria, the Symbiote is utter trash. The crafted legendaries are even better than this thing. It is only useful if whatever you are fighting is above 90% health. In my bags, I have Kil’jaeden’s Burning Wish, which is significantly better. I have cleared heroic Nighthold in both AMR’s suggested gear and my own, and I gained almost 100K dps by doing my own thing.

There are other baffling things I have noticed, but those two were the worst offenders. For the record, Vengeance is in no better shape with AMR, and has near equally bad advice.


#2

I tried it out, not sure why locking in the claw enchant won’t stick – I’ll look into that.

If you’re using one of our default gearing strategies, could be that under some circumstances claw is not quite as good as hidden satyr. I would recommend creating a custom strategy for your character.

That said, I simulated the enchants for your character as you posted above: http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/simulator/report/da7b8c2e2c8343cd9275757ef0e40c5f

Claw came out ahead, but they are pretty close. That is actually within margin of error of the simulation that I ran, I would need to lower it to determine which is actually better. So looks like you could go either way on the enchant and barely tell the difference.The default strategy says claw is only 1000 DPS lower than satyr – that is a very small difference, well within any reasonable margin of error for a simulation.

As for legendaries, I would highly recommend making a new custom gearing strategy – things can change quite a bit depending on your talents, legendaries, set bonuses, etc. We’re working on some big updates so that our defaults are more adaptable with ToS, and so that you won’t need to create your own custom strategies as often. But for now it’s the best way to get advice tailored specifically to you.

I would suggest equipping the legendaries you prefer, then follow this guide to make a strategy around it: Stat weights - How to generate a custom gearing strategy


#3

Turns out there isn’t a bug with the enchant locking, here’s what’s happening:

For best-in-bags, when you lock an enchant, it locks it on that particular item. So when you lock claw on one necklace, it thinks that it is better to swap to your other necklace and use satyr. You could lock claw onto both of your necklaces.


#4

Havoc has an insanely strong opener. Symbiote makes that opener 30% stronger. Many high parsing havoc players use symbiote. It is good on fights with adds if you can hit them right as they spawn as well.


#5

The Havoc BiB is a pretty sick joke for the last 6 months. Suggesting stuff that sims inside of AMR lower than currently equipped gear. Never mind that even simc or real world testing the BiB suggestions are always lower dps than current gear. Been having to sim through simc just to survive. With a DH main the subscription to AMR is wasted at the moment.


#6

Provide us an export from the addon along with the gearing strategy you are using and we’d be happy to take a look.