Legendary Recommendation Question (Havoc DH example)

Context of this question:

  • I’m a pretty big fan of AMR - and stick as closely to what I learn about optimization (and rotations) from your simulations.
  • I support (and understand) the idea of Zero human influence in machine learning simulations (think of AlphaZero, or LC0).
  • I am completely perplexed by the recommendation I’m getting for my Havoc Demon Hunter Legendary.
  • Feel free to look at Veast on Farstriders (US) - I will post my Addon Info at the bottom.

Using AMR, here’s the rotation thought to be optimal for my Havoc DH:
Sinful Brand
Metamorphosis
Vengeful Retreat
Fel Rush
Eye Beam
Death Sweep (Blade Dance)
Blade Dance
Annihilation (Chaos Strike)
Chaos Strike
Immolation Aura
Felblade
Throw Glaive

Here’s my Gnome Sequencer Script trying to be as close to this recommendation as possible. Note that the recommendation includes some logic that can’t be built into scripts:

/cast [nodead,harm] Sinful Brand
/targetenemy [noharm][dead]
/startattack [nocombat]
/cast [nochanneling,combat,@player] Metamorphosis
/castsequence [nochanneling,combat,exists,mod:alt] Vengeful Retreat, Fel Rush
/cast [nochanneling,combat] Eye Beam
/cast [nochanneling, combat] Blade Dance
/cast [nochanneling, combat] Chaos Strike
/cast [nochanneling,combat] Immolation Aura
/castsequence [nochanneling,combat,exists,mod:alt] Vengeful Retreat, Fel Rush
/cast [nochanneling,combat,talent:1/3,exists] Felblade
/cast [nochanneling,combat] Throw Glaive

Two runs against a covenant dummy for 1m shows fairly good DPS output:

From the Simulation, AMR measured the following damage output ( re-run 37683d6eb2c847b084320f058d8b55d1 ) 4258 DPS:
(Had an image but not allowed to post more than 1, re-run above)

For comparison, the run against the covenant dummy produce this output:
(Had an image but not allowed to post more than 1)

I’m not concerned about the obvious differences because I wasn’t’ using Raid appropriate simulation adjustments (Food, and Potions). I know I can tune these out of the simulation, but didn’t bother). Even so the overall pattern is reflected. Chaos Strike, Melee, Blade Dance are all high. The covenant power is near the top of the list. Annihilation is powerful (there’s slightly more output in the real test, but this is one power that doesn’t have the logic built in).

Yet, when I look at the legendary recommendation:
(Use my character to recreate recommendation. Had an Image but not allowed more than 1)

It suggests legendries that improve low impact skills.
For example, Fel Bombardment is number 1, thought to improve DPS by 10.6% and yet it influences Throw Glaive which is only responsible for 0.9% in simulation and 2.9% in real tests. How can such a low impact skill result in +10.6% improvement in DPS output?

Similarly, Everburn is 3rd at 5.66% improvement. It improves Demon’s Bite, yet my talent build, which AMR knows is 3311222 and talent 2/3 Demon Blades removes Demon’s Bite. Does Everburn work on Demon’s Blades too?

Is anyone able to help me understand AMR’s legendary recommendation given AMR’s recommended rotation (priority rotation)?

Character:
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I can help! The easiest way to help is if you use the help link above the gear table on best in bags. It will prompt you to create a snapshot id. Post that here and we can see all of your settings as well as the items on your bags.

Inevitably I will use your string you posted and see something different than you. The snapshot let’s me see exactly what you see.

Snapshot ID:
4934a65bcf1e4dec8cb17d4c5576265d

You are looking at multi-target (which uses the mythic+ script). The rotation changes slightly when you equip fel bombardment or everburn. Everburn does get applied by demon blades.

Here is your current gear simulated:
https://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/simulator/report/09b0512154af4f06bf0d7baee458cd08

And here you are with the head swapped out for a 225 fel bombardment and I used the 200 gloves you had in your bag:
https://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/simulator/report/d6658e7bf88b4e16bc606ab3032d2730

Throw Glaive and the Fel Bombardment effect become a huge part of your damage with the legendary.

Let me know if that answers your questions.

It does.

So, was that last run set for single target rather than multi-target and with the legendries swapped?

I understand that that will change the rotation (significantly apparently). Can you comment on whether multi-target or single-target has higher DPS generally?

Multi-target will always do higher total DPS. Those two simulations were both run on the mythic+ (multi-target) script. You can see in the report which script was used. Look at the top of the report where it says boss/script.

When you equip fel bombardment, the rotation the simulator runs off of enables throw glaive as a higher priority when you have fel bombardment stacks.

When you equip everburn it will cycle targets to a target that does not have the debuff on it already.

As a postscript to this question, I ran my rotation (with Throw Glaive) lower in the priority list against the rotation adjusted for Fel Bombardment (with Throw Glaive higher up) but without the legendary equipped (so I used my current equipment). Against a dummy, the DPS did NOT appear to change that much. It appeared pretty much the same.

So, I see no reason I shouldn’t just adjust my current rotation with Throw Glaive higher, and work towards the Fel Bombardment legendary. I don’t seem to lose any DPS.

I am curious … how do I swap out gear in my simulations (as you did with my legendries)? It’s not obvious to me.