what happened to the old optimizer that showed what my current gear had far as stats and what was needed to be optimal?
It’s still there. The only section we removed was the “gear check” section that would optimize only gems and enchants - it became somewhat obsolete with how the game has changed. You can use the Best in Slot section for free to see ranked items for every slot and ranked lists of gems and enchants.
To get suggestions for your specific gear, you would use Best in Bag, which is part of the premium subscription.
No, I believe he means the Optimize section that is GONE, making this addon worthless for me at least. Been waiting more than a year for it to come back. Disappeared when Dragonflight came out.
We Need the Graph Optimize Section back please. Without the Graph I cannot setup my toon.
The BiS/BiB stuff I guess is nice for folks that don’t do math, but, Optimize section is needed for the rest of us.
I’m not sure what section you are talking about. The optimizer still works the same way it always has: we create a scoring function and then you can optimize gear using our optimization algorithm.
Are you talking about the stat graphs we had that were based on pre-run simulation data?
Yes the stat graphs that told me what I needed more to be optimal IE; Intel, Crit, Haste etc
Those were a fun little view into the data that created the scoring functions, which the optimizer uses to pick BiB/BiS gear. The main point was to show that there were varied stat combos which all end up being very close to optimal. Sometimes the gear you have available to you would shift which stats the optimizer wanted to pick, based on what is currently available to you.
We don’t have to pre-calculate data anymore, since we made the scoring functions much faster. When you tell the optimizer to find BiB, BiS, check upgrades, etc - the score is calculated dynamically right at that moment. The stats picked by the optimizer are the stats you want to be optimal.
BiB gives you a “local” solution based on gear you have. BiS will show you where you are trying to end up if all the gear you are willing to consider is available to you. If you are looking for a rough idea of what stats to go for in the long run, check out the BiS solution.
you’re confused. The optimizer was removed. Its gone. Period. The AMR staff said it was removed intentionally because the new talent changes became too complex for their coded model to handle. It’s not planned to come back either.
For now, the only closest thing you can get to that is the “best in bags” option, but that you will need premium for. It doesn’t help you understand stat weights or optimization like the original one did though, so for most people the service is dead.
This is an extremely old thread, and you are mistaken!
The “optimizer” has never been removed. The simulator was removed. For Legion, BfA, and Shadowlands, we maintained our own simulator.
In order to optimize gear, you need some way to score a set of gear. It is too slow to run a simulation for every possible combination of gear on demand. That would take forever. So, when we were using our simulator, we would pre-run millions of data points ahead of time that covered different talent builds and stat distributions. We then generated a scoring function from that data using various machine learning techniques. The optimizer uses the scoring function to pick the best gear.
With the talent tree changes blizzard made going into Dragonflight, the amount of data we would have to calculate ahead of time to create those scoring functions became prohibitive. So, we wrote mathematical models for each specialization. They are not simulations. This allows them to be extremely fast and those models can be used as the scoring function. The optimizer still works as it always did - what we’ve done is change how we get the scoring function.
Way back in the day, we used stat weights as the scoring function.
We used to show those stat graphs as an interesting view on all the pre-run simulation data. Now, we are calculating exact solutions on demand, so there is no pre-generated data. We could pre-generate data and show graphs like that if we thought people would find it interesting or useful. So far, almost no one has asked for it, so we put it on the backburner. We have instead focused on improving the Upgrade Finder for all the changes that have been made in the last few years. And, of course, we are always refining the mathematical models of each spec to make sure the results are solid.