Tank Trinkets - Bladedancer's vs Blood-Spattered

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Hi AMR Devs,

I’m currently in the process of outfitting my BrM tank for Mythic raid content. My guild just got CE and I’m returning from a long break from raiding to relieve the current DH tank.

With regard to tanking trinkets, I’m curious why Bladedancer’s Armor Kit is shown to be superior to Blood-Spattered Scale in a raid scenario for both TUF and DPS settings. After reviewing WarcraftLogs, the latter seems to be the default choice for high end BrM Monks in raid and Mythic+ content. Will the optimizer change once I’ve achieved a higher ilvl and have more primary/secondary stats in general? Or is this an outlier with respect to sims?

For reference, my current setups for all content I engage with are included here:
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103;US;Area 52;Nekia;LoF;22;2;60;8:100,5:100;1;.s1;16;2312321;7;2.0.0,2.56.6,2.0.0,2.15.6,1.0.0,2.57.6,1.33.6,2.0.0;.q1;172315s8b1532b5115b3b108b318t51e6211!A41C3A7F4;1987s17b-5558b5128b6b536t142e18!AA6170E97;4405s2b-5687b4377b768b6b542b15t143!A5B5706D2;56s3b-5675b5112b6b707b14t86!AA9674988;32s5b-5872b4383b762b6b562t144e1!A852A88CF;28s6b-7174b1500b5106b548b165b16t146!AA30FAC70;9s10b-5874b4383b762b6b561t147!A7BF194C4;19s15b-7173b1500b5106b713b30t149e-22!AA88FE601;11s14b-5888b4364b781b6b560t104!A6EF88588;8s11b-5711b4367b778b6b541b21t107e-38!A7F72A1F6;1225s16b-5713b4383b762b6b562t151e59!A892DD817;11s1b-5713b4383b762b6b541b21t152!A803BA3BD;2887s7b-5729b5161b6b536t123!A7E9DFC81;26s9b-5703b5161b6b283b253t153x173129!A8D0425B2;19s12b-5703b5161b6b536b5t154e-59!AA60D75D3;980s13b-5721b5174b6b537t155!A4DF78244@MonkBrewmaster2@ Raid Mythic@e\6211\172419\309534\15 Agility\172232=1,172231=2@e\6229\172366\309627\Celest\172231=2,172230=4@e\6230\177962\324773\Stats\172232=1,172231=2@e\6208\177660\323755\Stam\172230=4@e\6170\172364\309619\16 Versatility\172231=3@e\6164\172361\309616\16 CriticalStrike\172231=3
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Thanks in advance for any insight,
Nekia
Area 52

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I would need your snapshot id to help with this. I can’t use your export string.

Directions on making a snapshot id:

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Here you go!

61565b066cbc449b9b65b65771cfae10

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The bladedancer’s armor kit is one of those that may add up to better results, on average, but it’s basically invisible to players. It’s a very boring trinket. Our simulator doesn’t care if an item is boring or not, it just goes straight by the numbers - which is a bit of a different approach than other people take.

Most players who don’t use our optimizer pick gear based on how it feels or is anecdotally perceived, which makes trinkets like bladedancer’s pretty much non-existent.

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Yeah I get that. It would also depend on the nature of a fight. In both Mythic Plus and Raids, oftentimes there are windows where cooldown use becomes a deciding factor on the outcome of the encounter. So having a cooldown whose short-term effect would be stronger, but over the course of the fight drops off numbers-wise, still may make that trinket more valuable to the player for that scenario.

Regardless, I am part of the herd that is underwhelmed by Bladedancer’s Armor Kit, so I figured out how to reduce it’s value and bump up Blood-Spattered Scale’s value within my simulations. It being the primary trinket used in every rank one through ten (probably beyond but haven’t checked) keystone runs does convey a sense of value that may not be accounted for by the API.

Thanks for the clarification,
cmartin942

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Yeah, an on-use with an effect that can help you live through a tough pull certainly has some level of value that is difficult to quantify. The customization section is there precisely for cases like this, so you can assign your modifiers based on preference.