The War Within (TWW) is coming soon!
Pre-Patch (July 23)
Pre-patches for expansions are always kind of a mess. Many of the new game mechanics are in place (in this case, tons of class changes and hero talents… which you won’t be able to get during the pre-patch), but old stuff is still hanging around. The game is not balanced around this state, and nobody spends a lot of time “figuring it out” just to move on in a few weeks to the real expansion.
So just relax, have some fun checking out new stuff, and don’t worry too much during the pre-patch.
Supported pre-patch features
Best in Bags
Best in bags will work in the pre-patch. The addon will be able to read your gear and talents, and you’ll be able to edit them on the website as usual. The optimizations will be pretty rough, but probably good enough to mess around until The War Within. A few notes:
- We will not rank most Dragonflight set bonuses during the pre-patch. We only maintain set bonus rankings for one expansion at a time (otherwise the code would get kind of crazy), and we have already started updating for TWW
- Some specific Dragonflight trinkets might not rank as well… but we will try to leave most of the rankings in place during the pre-patch
Best in Slot
Best in Slot will be available as a way to preview The War Within gear. Don’t worry too much about the actual optimization… they are going to be wacky. Many of the new items aren’t even implemented on beta yet, so we are waiting to get the information that we need to rank everything.
Worst in Bags
Worst in Bags should still work fine as a way to help you clean up your bags going into the next expansion.
Upgrade Finder
The Upgrade Finder will be temporarily disabled during the pre-patch. We’ll bring it back with The War Within. As the first raid draws closer, we hope to add some new features here – stay tuned!
The War Within (Aug 26)
All features will be functioning on launch day. All specs will be working, but we’ll definitely still be adjusting things leading up to the first raid. We’ll make another announcement close to launch day with the current state of the optimization models.
First Raid (Sep 10)
The first raid release is always our target for having everything modeled and ranked. We’ll have everything running smoothly as the loot starts rolling in!
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Thanks for everything, looking forward to continue using AMR with TWW!
The site was just updated for The War Within pre-patch!
Please make sure to get v140 (or higher) of the in-game addon in order to import/export new character data from 11.0 onward.
As usual, I’m sure something will need fixing once the servers come up and we can try out the version that Blizzard actually deployed, so let us know if you run into an issue.
As outlined in the original post, don’t worry too much about the optimizations during the pre-patch. We are currently in the process of reviewing and implementing all of the new class changes, hero talents, and new gear. We fully expect the recommended gear, stats, etc. to change as we model more of the new abilities and as Blizzard continues to change balancing.
Best in Slot can be used with generic characters, but you’ll have to put in your own talent build, and some items might not be indexing correctly yet, particularly trinkets (which we haven’t implemented yet). We’ll be working on all of that leading up to launch day on August 26th.
Another note: your saved Best in Bags profiles should still load, but please check all of the settings, and also update your talents – all talents have been reset because of the talent tree changes.
Will AMR be updated to TWW with the early access on 22nd, or do we have to wait until 26th until AMR is updated?
We could probably do an update on the 22nd to switch everything over to The War Within mode. Some things will still need a little testing and we are still hammering out some of our optimization models for a few specs, but most features should be ready to go.
Note that once we do that update, it will disable any pre-patch behavior. For example, the optimizer will no longer use or suggest Dragonflight gems and enchants, Dragonflight special item effects for most trinkets will no longer be ranked, etc.
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Since I do have early access so would I love to see the update on 22nd.
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I would also like to have it for early access :3
Came back after being a classic player for the last several years. I cant tell you how good it is to be able to have amr do the gear work on whats best for me again. Thanks for all you boys do
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Tomorrow we will be updating the site for The War Within early access. We expect to have the site update ready sometime before it goes live at 3pm PDT.
Here is what to expect:
Item, Gem, Enchant Data Updates
The site will be completely switched over to The War Within item, gem, and enchant data. The Best in Bags and Best in Slot optimizers will only rank and choose items, gems, and enchants from The War Within.
As always, our optimization models are built around max-level characters for the current expansion, with a focus on end-game PvE content. That said, the optimizer generally works quite well for leveling and we encourage you to use it. Just don’t expect it to have the same level of accuracy at low levels with low level gear.
Optimizer Feature Updates
Check out the Optimizer Feature Updates for The War Within post for more details on some feature updates that will go live with this update.
Still in Development
We are still actively developing our optimizer models! We hope to have a first pass completed by the official launch day of Aug 26 at 3pm PDT for all specs.
That said, we fully expect Blizzard to make significant balancing changes before the first raid opens, so the optimizer results will inevitably change as well. It is always a bit up in the air for those first few weeks of a new expansion, so hang with us as we chase Blizzard’s changes with each patch they roll out.
We will post more details if any part of the optimizer is lagging significantly behind schedule.
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One follow-up: for Delve loot, we took a best guess at which items drop as end-of-run loot. It should be a decent guess… but we may have missed a few items, or maybe included some that don’t actually drop.
As you run Delves, please let us know if we are missing some items or have a few incorrectly flagged as available from Delves.
Also there are some items that can be purchased with Undercoins. You can pick any Delve Tier and those items will show up in Best in Slot and the Upgrade Finder.
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To follow up on Delve loot:
From what I can tell after doing just a couple, the items that can be purchased with Undercoins also seem to drop at the end of runs? At least some of the jewelry like rings can, haven’t seen a weapon yet.
There also appear to be a few trinkets that drop at the end of runs – I have seen one or two, and I’ll take a guess at the others.
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We just posted an update with several bug fixes.
We also put out a new version of the addon (v143) with some fixes and improvements to the importing and exporting of hero talents. You will need to update to v143 or later of the addon.
The addon is available for download directly on our site as usual at our Addon page, or via curseforge (where it should be available within a few minutes).
In theory… it should remember your last-chosen talents in each hero tree, and no longer clear them out on import and export. Also, if you were using in-game talent loadouts and linking them to your Best in Bags setups on the site, it was not reading the hero talents correctly. That is fixed now.
Please review and update your talents for ALL of your Best in Bags setups! Once you get them all set up again for the first time, everything should run smoothly for the rest of the expansion (or until Blizzard introduces something new).
Today at 3pm (pacific) is the official launch of The War Within!
We have ironed out a bunch of the initial bugs to be expected with a new expansion over the last few days of early access, but please let us know if you run into anything that is not working as expected.
We are still working on the hero trees for a couple of specs – they should be finished over the next few days:
- Balance and Restoration Druids
- Evokers
- Mistweaver Monks
- Shamans
We have an update scheduled for later today that will have all other specs completed. We’ll make another post when the above specs have also been completed.
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Hello, when I want to paste a string from my addon into the page, I keep getting the error message “please update your addon before copying the string”. But it is the latest version that I have installed from Curse
In-game, what version of the addon is showing in small text at the very bottom of the Ask Mr. Robot addon window when you open it?
It should say “v143 loaded. Documentation available at …”
Also please note that you need to not just log out, but completely exit and close WoW to update the addon.
Just a follow-up on our progress for The War Within.
We have all specs updated and good to go, but we are working on a few tweaks to healers. They should be working fine now, but we want to make some general improvements to our scoring approach for healing. Still a work in progress.
Now that we have some real log data of end-game raids and activities, we’ll be doing a round of review to see if any rankings need adjusting – particularly trinkets, which can be difficult to rank based purely on beta testing. We expect to have an update sometime next week with adjustments as necessary.
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