The Great Vault Upgrade Finder Search

The Great Vault is a weekly reward for raiding, doing Mythic+, and PvP. You can read more about it here: https://blog.askmrrobot.com/how-the-great-vault-works/

The Great Vault Upgrade Finder search will help you decide which reward to take.

Import your Rewards

As long as you have version 96 or later of our in-game addon, we will automatically read your available rewards every time you export your character. So when you have rewards available, simply export your character as normal, and you will see a list of your potential rewards in the options for the Great Vault search.

Add to my Bag

We have also added another search called “Add to my Bag” (if you don’t see it yet, it will be live within a day or two of this post). It ranks gear exactly the same as the Great Vault search, but allows you to manually pick the items to rank rather than importing your rewards for the week.

Ranking

We do a ranking that is slightly different than our other Upgrade Finder searches, and more thorough. Because the potential rewards are a very small list of items (no more than 9 each week), we can do a complete Best in Bags optimization to find the best possible reward. For rewards that are not the best, we do a slightly faster Best in Bags optimization to give them a good ranking relative to the best reward for you that week.

For example, if you have 3 potential rewards:

  1. We run Best in Bags as if you own all of the rewards (making sure to only allow the optimizer to choose one of those rewards, since you can only get one). The score of the top-ranked item will exactly match your Best in Bags score were you to choose that as your reward.

  2. For the other two items that aren’t the best, we lock them in place and do a quicker Best in Bags optimization to get a good ranking for them. Were you to pick one of these items as your reward and run Best in Bags, your final score might not exactly match what the Upgrade Finder showed, but it will be extremely close.

The reason that we do this is that running a complete Best in Bags optimization for multiple items would be very slow (up to 9 rewards, so worst case it could take 9 times longer than a normal Best in Bags optimization). But using this hybrid approach gets very close to the same result in a much shorter amount of time, and without compromising the most important piece of information: the ranking of the best available reward.

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The values its returning are wildly difffernt from a simple upgrade finder search on the items. “Find upgrades” might return a 2% increase while this view displays a .3% loss.

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The difference shouldn’t be that big in most cases, though it will be slightly different due to the reasons listed above. You can always make a separate thread with your specific case and post a support snapshot ID, and we can look at it to see if something is going on, or explain the results in more detail.

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While it makes perfect sense to optimize away clearly-inferior options… wouldn’t you still want the higher accuracy when trailing the “second best” option if it is only slightly behind?

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A little confused here Y5.
My vault has the same pair of bracers that I’m wearing but the ones in the vault are 0.22% upgrades!
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so my vault today has two items that I am currently equipped - the exact same items, no sockets - listed as upgrades
and the 223 ilvl version of the 200ilvl neck I am wearing is listed as a 0.84% downgrade
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It’s comparing the necklace in your great vault to the one BiB has chosen, which is a 220 item.
The same items being listed as upgrades is what I posted before too, so when Y5 is available he’ll have a look and get back to us.

I would need a snapshot as well with all of your settings: press the “help” link next to the big “Upgrade Finder” section header, then press Create Support Post, and copy the generated snapshot ID here.

So in your case it seems to be an issue with the gem/enchant threshold. The +0.22% would be the gain if the gem/enchant threshold was disabled. I’ll see what’s going on there… probably the optimizer for the upgrade finder is always using the most optimal gems/enchants when scoring, which is really a more consistent way to score it.

I’ll see if I can make it allow the gem/enchant threshold setting to adjust the scores or if there’s some limitation making that difficult. I believe this would only happen on items below the top-scoring item, which use a slightly different technique to both give a good score but not take forever to do it.

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Getting similar results. Suggested item is the exact same item I am wearing.
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Thanks

I posted an update that should address most of these cases – it will shows items as “owned” that you already own.

The reason for these differences has to do with the gem/enchant threshold setting. I’m probably going to make a change in a future update to ignore that setting when ranking the great vault rewards – it will always rank things as if you will spend the gold to use the best gems/enchants available to you (according to your settings, e.g. you could still set enchants to “none” and that would be factored in).

Received a mythic level 6 version of an item, Cloak of Enveloping Manifestations. I’m wearing the mythic level 5 version. The great vault section listed it as a 0.20% upgrade although the stats are identical. Also received the heroic version of the ring Hyperlight Band, which I have equipped. The GV section listed it as owned, which is expected.

Yeah it probably sees the two difficulties as different items… the small difference in score is probably due to the gem/enchant threshold setting. The great vault ranking ignores that setting for technical reasons, which can then cause the setup to rank higher than your current gear even though the item is the same.

I’ll see if I can clean that up, but bottom line – don’t worry about it, or set the gem/enchant threshold to “disabled” and re-rank.

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Snapshot ID: a8722675816b4aec9f36ee06720e0d1f
I have a waist 226ilvl, and great vault gives me the same item 213ilvl. The only difference it has indestructuble. But it has dowgrades in all main and second attributes. And upgrade finder says it has 1% of upgrade. Is this because of indestructuble or some error?

I’ll take a look – there seems to be an issue specific to your case causing all of the scores to be shifted up by about a percent or so. We’ll fix that in the next update.

Who cares about second best? It’s that simple :wink: